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| Turns | Speakers and utterances |
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| 1 | F21: Mm how do you think Finns are seen by foreigners? |
| 2 | M18: Well we... do use a lo- a lot of time w- wondering about that //[laugh]// |
| 3 | F21: //[laugh]// |
| 4 | M18: er I think... most people around the world know F- Finland for sauna |
| 5 | F21: Mhm |
| 6 | M18: and erm for kind of shyness... |
| 7 | F21: //Yeah// |
| 8 | M18: //and// alcoholi- al- alcoholism in stereotypes. |
| 9 | F21: Yeah |
| 10 | M18: but erm //also// |
| 11 | F21: //and// |
| 12 | M18: for the great education |
| 13 | F21: Yeah and snow and Santa Claus and |
| 14 | M18: Yeah |
| 15 | F21: H- eh polar bears |
| 16 | M18: Yeah //[laugh] polar bears [laugh]// |
| 17 | F21: //[laugh] yeah// |
| 18 | M18: that's right... erm the things that Finland is known for, well we kind of went through those too |
| 19 | F21: Yeah |
| 20 | M18: ehm al- also Angry Birds... //ehm// |
| 21 | F21: //Yeah// and er in Japan, Moomins |
| 22 | M18: Yeah yeah Moomins yeah... ehm... what would you change in the Finnish picture? |
| 23 | F21: Eer... I think... people should understand that we don't have polar bears //here// [laugh] |
| 24 | M18: //[laugh] yeah// I think pe- pe- pe- pe- pe- people- people should al- shou- should also know that erm... the younger generations in Finland are not that shy anymore actually |
| 25 | F21: Yeah |
| 26 | M18: At- at least in my experience |
| 27 | F21: Yeah... er |
| 28 | M18: Mm |
| 29 | F21: Mm yeah |
| 30 | M18: Yeah |
| 31 | F21: Are there any countries that respect Finland more than others? |
| 32 | M18: Well Japan loves us //[laugh]// |
| 33 | F21: //[laugh] yeah [laugh]// |
| 34 | M18: I al- I've a- always heard that Estonians like Finland a lot |
| 35 | F21: [laugh] really? |
| 36 | M18: Yeah //yeah [laugh]// |
| 37 | F21: //[laugh]// |
| 38 | M18: I'm bit surprised too |
| 39 | F21: [laugh] |
| 40 | M18: Er like er i- it's because Estonians used to watch Finnish TV in the er times of |
| 41 | F21: Aah |
| 42 | M18: of CCCR and |
| 43 | F21: Yeah |
| 44 | M18: and stuff like that so |
| 45 | F21: and now it's all about... er getting... alcohol from //Estonia// |
| 46 | M18: //[laugh] yeah// [laugh] yeah... erm... are there any coun- eh eh er no er has image of Finland changed recently? |
| 47 | F21: Er... I think... it hasn't changed a lot |
| 48 | M18: Yeah yeah |
| 49 | F21: There has... been Angry Birds and stuff like that but |
| 50 | M18: Yeah |
| 51 | F21: that doesn't affect much |
| 52 | M18: Yeah yeah... I- I- I agree, there hasn't been much- much change |
| 53 | F21: Yeah |
| 54 | M18: Yeah like er sometimes when you talk to foreigners they still think that Finnish people walk- walk with wooden shoes and //what not though// |
| 55 | F21: //[laugh] yeah [laugh]// |
| 56 | M18: er it's- it takes some time s- to change these... these kin- these kind- kind- kind- kinds of things |
| 57 | F21: Yeah that's true |
| 58 | M18: Er //three// |
| 59 | F21: //Eh// |
| 60 | M18: things you would sell to a foreigner about Finland... Hmm |
| 61 | F21: Eh well we have a lot of forest and nature //is// |
| 62 | M18: //Yeah// |
| 63 | M18: //we have like// |
| 64 | F21: //really fine// |
| 65 | M18: we are called the "Land of Thousand Lakes" //I think I'd-// |
| 66 | F21: //Yeah// |
| 67 | M18: I'd mentioned that |
| 68 | F21: Yeah |
| 69 | M18: Ehm |
| 70 | F21: and |
| 71 | M18: I'd also tell them about the free education... I //think// |
| 72 | F21: //Yeah// |
| 73 | M18: there's reason to be proud of that |
| 74 | F21: Yeah... //and//... |
| 75 | M18: //Yeah// |
| 76 | F21: I think... about Santa Claus //because many people// |
| 77 | M18: //[laugh]// |
| 78 | F21: think that er Santa Claus is American... |
| 79 | M18: [laugh] //[laugh]// |
| 80 | F21: //and he's Finnish// |
| 81 | M18: pe- people think Jesus is American //[laugh]// |
| 82 | F21: //[laugh] yeah [laugh]// er how do Finns see other cultures? |
| 83 | M18: Hmm |
| 84 | F21: Er |
| 85 | M18: Well we're kind of u- used to being the er the small country so we... we for us like... coun- coun- coun- countries like America and China with hundreds of- hundreds of millions of... people are very big... //and yeah// |
| 86 | F21: //yeah// |
| 87 | F21: And I think Finns have some difficulties to understand other cultures |
| 88 | M18: Yeah that's true yeah |
| 89 | F21: Yeah |
| 90 | M18: It's a common problem in almost every culture that er people think their culture is the right one |
| 91 | F21: Yeah |
| 92 | M18: and the good one and the others are doing it... er [inaudible] worst than them |
| 93 | F21: [laugh] Yeah |
| 94 | M18: And that applies to Finland as well |
| 95 | F21: Er work, education, arts, sports, food... etc. |
| 96 | M18: Et cetera erm... well we have... er I think the Finnish work ethic is a bit too harsh |
| 97 | F21: [laugh] |
| 98 | M18: I mean people really identify... by their work er w- if you ever watch er watched adults er ha- having conversations er the first thing they ask somebody is er where do they work |
| 99 | F21: Yeah |
| 100 | M18: Yeah... always, it's so creepy |
| 101 | F21: And when they know each other they all end discuss about work |
| 102 | M18: Yeah yeah... that's creepy |
| 103 | F21: Yeah |
| 104 | M18: Er well- well education is really good //er// |
| 105 | F21: //Yeah// |
| 106 | M18: so far [laugh] //I don't know what// |
| 107 | F21: //So far yeah// |
| 108 | M18: the government is... i- is planning... |
| 109 | F21: [laugh] |
| 110 | M18: but er //so far// |
| 111 | F21: //Yeah// |
| 112 | M18: so good |
| 113 | F21: That's true we have //free education it's// |
| 114 | M18: //Mm mhm yeah// |
| 115 | F21: nice |
| 116 | M18: Yeah |
| 117 | F21: Er art |
| 118 | M18: I I- really love Finnish er e some of the Finnish songwriters because... erm... f- foreigners are often surprised by how sad er the- the pop music in- in Finland is |
| 119 | F21: Yeah [laugh] |
| 120 | M18: like Juice Leskinen and... //and so on// |
| 121 | F21: //Mhm// |
| 122 | M18: it can be really depressing and in other cultures it's- it's hard to find artists who are so... ho- honest in their lyrics |
| 123 | F21: Yeah Apulanta |
| 124 | M18: Yeah //[laugh] Apulanta [laugh]// |
| 125 | F21: //[laugh]// |
| 126 | M18: Yeah |
| 127 | F21: Yeah... I dunno about art, Tom of Finland is //also great [laugh]// |
| 128 | M18: //[laugh] yeah// true |
| 129 | F21: Yeah er sports |
| 130 | M18: I don't follow sports, //I-// |
| 131 | F21: //I// |
| 132 | M18: I try to avoid them |
| 133 | F21: Yeah //same// |
| 134 | M18: //Mhm// |
| 135 | F21: //I think//... |
| 136 | M18: //Yeah// |
| 137 | F21: people are so proud of er... ice hockey in Finland |
| 138 | M18: Yeah //true// |
| 139 | F21: //but// f- for real we have be- we have winned er I think for two World Cups //world [inaudible] thing// |
| 140 | M18: //Yeah yeah I- I only// won- I only watch World Cups |
| 141 | F21: Yeah |
| 142 | M18: Er and o- only ice hockey er I- I guess ice hockey is more interesting than football... //where like// |
| 143 | F21: //Yeah [laugh]// |
| 144 | M18: nothing happens for nine- ninety minutes, it's a bit... //er// |
| 145 | F21: //Mhm// |
| 146 | M18: boring, football... but ice hockey is okay |
| 147 | F21: Yeah |
| 148 | M18: //Er what about// |
| 149 | F21: //Food// |
| 150 | M18: food? |
| 151 | F21: Er foreigns think that Finnish food is tasteless |
| 152 | M18: Well yeah it- I guess especially if you come from like Mexico or- //or-// |
| 153 | F21: //Yeah [laugh]// |
| 154 | M18: or Asia or somewhere and er you taste Fin- taste Finnish foods, there are no spices at all, //almost// |
| 155 | F21: //Mhm// |
| 156 | M18: it's true |
| 157 | F21: Yeah we have lot of... potatoes |
| 158 | M18: Yeah [laugh] |
| 159 | F21: Reindeer meat |
| 160 | M18: Yeah |
| 161 | F21: Oh //it's nice// |
| 162 | M18: //I// I have er such a bad tolerance for spicy food |
| 163 | F21: Yeah [laugh] |
| 164 | M18: Yeah |
| 165 | F21: Many Finns have |
| 166 | M18: Yeah |